Friday, August 7, 2009

The Rationale Behind the Trade Presented

A couple of days ago I presented a trade possibility of Marcus Banks + Patrick O'Bryant + a second round draft pick for Morris Peterson. (see post below) There was a lot of reaction from the trade and most of it was negative, however reading through the comments there may of been people who may have misunderstood what I had presented. As such, I feel responsible for addressing some of the comments being made and bring some rationale for why I feel the trade might work. Ill list each subtopic by argument and try to answer it.

1. Trading Second Round Draft Picks are not the way to go, considering how many we have dealt away

I agree that trading away draft picks is not an effective way to build your team roster. In general, first round draft picks are set on the rookie scale and second round picks do not earn significantly more than the minimum which means that you usually get under-paid talent. However with respect to the Raptors situation, they are built to compete in the short-term (however flawed that strategy is) and need to compile enough depth for in-squad competition and in case of injury. Second round draft picks only sometimes evolve into rotation quality players and almost never contribute in their first season. For a team built like the Raptors, Peterson would derive more utility in the short (and probably long) term than a future second round draft pick.

2. Morris Peterson has two years left so bad trade idea

Because Marcus Banks is on a two year deal and is not even a rotation quality player, no GM would trade him for a shorter (expiring) contract. This is especially true with the 2010 off season coming up and GMs do not want to have contractual obligations going into the 2011 season. As such, the only way to move him would be for another player who has a two year or longer contract. Peterson has been marginalized in NO due to the signing of James Posey, and Peja and the drafting of Julian Wright. The team is over the luxury tax and needs to reduce salary to minimize the impact so they may consider trading Peterson for a smaller contract especially if there are enough incentives to make it worthwhile (second round draft pick, cash etc.).

3. Morris Peterson is a backing SG, not a SF

Morris Peterson has played both as a SG and SF in his career. He is 6'7 and 220 pounds, and has been in the league long enough to understand how to guard both position. Also, in the NBA the two wing positions are pretty homogeneous now with the rise of small-ball lineups.

4. Why trade for a "worse" contract?

As I stated before, the Raptors are designed to win now. They need all the depth they can get to sustain them in the long season and for insurance purposes. In addition, because the Raptors are under the luxury cap, this deal only adds roughly 500k this year and about 1.5 million next year. They will not fall into luxury tax concerns if they make the deal because they are shipping salary out. One person mentioned that the luxury tax figure might fall next year and this may pose some questions for the raptors. However, the difference would be 1.5 million (doubled up to 3 year) only for a 1 year period. I think the Raptors would consider having an asset like backup sg/sf like Peterson is worth that. In addition if the Raptors are really concerned about the luxury tax implications, the Raptors can trade the contract next season + an asset to a team under the salary cap for a draft pick or an salary exception (note: the same thing would have to be done with bank's contract).

5. There's no point wasting assets for the 15th roster spot

This deal is not so focused on filling the 15th roster spot as it is on creating a more balanced rotation. Currently, the Raptors' rotation is:

starters:
pg: jose calderon
sg: demar derozan
sf: hedo turkolu
pf: chris bosh
c: andrea bargnani

key reserves:
pg/sg: jarrett jack
sg: antoine wright
pf: reggie evans
c: rasho

deep reserves (probable DNP-CDs or getting no playing time)
pg: roko ukic
pg: quincy douby
pg: marcus banks
pf: patrick o'bryant

It is clearly obvious that we have too many dead weight point guards and too many inactive players in general. If this deal were to happen the rotation would change to:

starters:
pg: jose calderon
sg: demar derozan
sf: hedo turkolu
pf: chris bosh
c: andrea bargnani

key reserves:
pg/sg: jarrett jack
sg: antoine wright
sf: morris peterson
pf: reggie evans
c: rasho

deep reserves (probable DNP-CDs or getting no playing time)
pg: roko ukic
pg: quincy douby


Now the Raptors could now play douby (who is superior to banks) as their first option in their deep reserves. There would be 13 players on the roster so the team would not need to add any more players. But if they want to, they can now add players in other positions like: joey graham, pops or leon powe to really round out the roster.

6. Why trade another team's dead weight for our own?

When you consider this trade, please think back to the Rafeal Araujo / Kris Humphries trade. Both of these players were not contributing to their respective teams, so both GMs took a chance on a player to help them. The beauty of these deals are that they have little risk but the new addition could turn into a serviceable player. We can all agree that Aruarjo was not a rotation worthy player but he turned into Kris Humphries, an efficient player with rotation potential. This Morris Peterson deal is to trade two players who do not figure to be in our rotation for a 15-18 mpg guy who could provide significant value to the Raptors.

Conclusions

In all likelihood this trade is not going to happen, and I have probably spent way too much time on the topic, but I want to be sure that what I present is clear and understandable and the debate is focused on the issue.

17 comments:

  1. you are retarded....debate it all you want, but I think everyone has already said this was pretty stupid!

    ReplyDelete
  2. jp's right, you know.

    ReplyDelete
  3. in your depth charts you forgot marco belinelli at the 2. Antoine Wright is most likely playing the 3. why would we need mopete?

    ReplyDelete
  4. terrible idea. Just admit that you didn't have stuff to write about that day so you made one up. Making it sound like it made sense makes it even worse.

    It's all good tho' half the time, your stuff is decent.

    ReplyDelete
  5. More SGs???

    Why not more PGs while were at it?

    ReplyDelete
  6. I like where you tried to go with this,b ut I'll say it again: there is no way Mo Pete (as much as I loved him) can actually guard small forwards in this league...

    Durant, Carmelo, LeBron, Hedo (in practice I guess...), Pierce, Ron Ron, Josh Smith, Odom, Butler...

    I don't think Mo Pete could guard those guys 5 years ago, nevermind at the age of 32. He'll be 34 or 35 by the time the contract is up.

    If what you wanted was someone who could check second and third tier threes, well... isn't that what Antoine is for?

    ReplyDelete
  7. Also, of our four candidates for All NBA First Team DNP-CD, you picked the two with the least value to anyone... Not everyone runs deals like GS :\

    ReplyDelete
  8. fair enough, it seemed to make sense when i thought about it and wrote it.

    I will be examining the raptors from an offensive and defensive perspective as well as an off-season report card.

    There will also be some arsenal content for those footy fans!

    ReplyDelete
  9. This is a fantastic idea! Why not get a guy who was servicable when here, but has clearly been sliding on the backside of his career as of late? We should see what other fan favourites are up to, I'm sure Oakley would love a job waving a towel and giving crazy interviews

    ReplyDelete
  10. Yup, you completely forgot Belinelli.

    Current rotation:
    PG Calderon
    SG DeRozan (assuming he starts)
    SF Turkoglu
    PF Bosh
    C Bargnani

    PG Jack
    SG Belinelli
    SF Wright
    PF Evans
    C Nesterovic

    That's a 10-man rotation already, and teams tend to wittle down to a 9- or 8-man rotation

    Also you forgot that the maximum # of active players is 12; therefore, it doesn't matter if the deep reserves aren't playing, because it's impossible for them to all play.

    SG Douby and one of PG Ukic or C O'Bryant will take the last two active spots, and will likely not play except in garbage time or in case of injury.

    PG Banks and one of PG Ukic or C O'Bryant will remain on the inactive list. If we sign a free agent SF to a minimum contract, he'll likely push Ukic/O'Bryant down to the inactive list as well. He'll still only see the court during garbage time or in case of injury. Acquiring Mo Pete, as you can see, does not change the number of "deep reserves" at all; it's two with or without him.

    ReplyDelete
  11. You can keep writing follow-ups to explain this misguided trade, but you will not win over anyone with any basketball sense. Morris Peterson's best days are behind him. He can no longer help this team. Your whole thinking that this team is designed to win now is flawed. If by "win" you mean a championship. You are wrong. This team is not designed to win now. This is a young team. The Boston Celtics are designed to win now. The Raptors are moving towards competing for a championship in 3 years. They should make the playoffs during that time, but no one with any basketball knowledge thinks they will beat LAL, BOS, Clev or Orl this year. Fewer think MoPete will help any team win a championship except as a cheerleader. Rap fans have a habit of wanting to get with any player that likes the city. Regardless if they fit. Kinda like a fat chick who gets attention. They are already planning the wedding after receiving a complement. You are one of those people. Mo is gone. He is not coming back as a player. That is a good thing. Please move on to suggesting another ridiculous trade for another player who might have once said something positive about Toronto (How bout JYD?!). I will be back at that time to tell you that you are wrong, yet again. Trade scenarios are not your forte. Please move on.

    ReplyDelete
  12. Oh, BTW, I hope you aren't offended by my comment. Despite the disagreement, I think the way you presented your argument was very clear and mature, so many props for that.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Are you Daphne Charlemagne?

    ReplyDelete
  14. Who's that guy that Kobe dropped 81 pts on? Hmm...I'm pretty sure it was Mo Pete - your attempt to rationalize/justify your logic behind this trade in a follow up article was even more pathetic than your first article

    your basketball acumen is really coming to frution

    ReplyDelete
  15. Wow, so much negativity. Everyone is so brave in the online word. Using degrading words like "retarded" and such.

    Um, it was just an idea. Give the guy a break. If you don't like the idea simply say so, no need to resort to name calling.

    I guess you have a lot of 11 year olds reading your blog dude.

    I think it's a good idea. I'd rather have mo pete than Banks. Who knows what BC is up to. When Mo's contract expired he showed no interest in signing him then, so I'm not sure he would fit into our plans. Good rationalization though.

    ReplyDelete
  16. Wow everyone needs to stop critiquing this, its a GREAT trade for us, Banks does nothing, for us with 4 PGs, clears the PG glut and gets us a backup SF to fight Wright for minutes and he can play the SG.

    Resign Pops to play the 3/4 he said hes working on becoming a SF and he already played PF.

    Calderon/Jack/Ukic
    Derozan/Belinelli
    Hedo/Wright/Peterson
    Bosh/Evans/Pops
    Bargnani/Rasho/O'Byrant

    Thats a solid team but IMO it would need to be a 3 team deal.

    Raptors Send: Banks/Douby
    Raptors Get: Peterson

    Bucks or Knicks or Bobcats Send: Gazd or Jeffries or Mohammad
    Bucks or Knicks or Bobcats Get: Banks/2 million Trade Exception

    Hornets Send: Peterson
    Hornets Get: Gazd or Jeffries or Mohammad + Douby (who would be cut since hes un guaranteed and can be cut)

    ReplyDelete
  17. Another thing, Banks is dead weight he will not play a single minute with us, peterson is useful as a 3rd string SG/SF. Not only as a player but for marketing for MLSE, the extra $ will be made up in extra revenue and marketing aspects of bringing him back. Whoever says no to this trade clearly doenst grasp the value of NBA players in todays market. Furthermore this allows us to have 12 million between Evans/Peterson to expire in 2011.

    Hornets dont need Banks though with Collison/Daniels as their backup to Paul what they do need is a Centre or Power Forward see my proposal up there.

    The bucks would do it to save 2.2 million and be able to match sessions 4 million offer by the Knicks and stay under the luxury tax. Which is huge for them

    Knicks do it because Mike D gave Banks that contract and they save 2 million in 2010 and Jeffries wont see any time.

    The Bobcats do it to save some money and LB doesnt like Mohammad, he will embrace Banks defensive minded style and he would be a 3rd PG there.

    All in all thats the trade we should be looking for and to the original poster, great trade. Only thing is switch POB to Douby and instead of the pick we will add whatever cash in luxury tax dollars needs to be added to make the difference neutral and we will keep the pick

    Example the difference for NOH between Gazd and Peterson is 600,000 meaning we would add 1.2 million to cover luxury tax payments.

    Calderon/Jack/Ukic (PG/SG)
    Derozan/Belinelli/Peterson (SG/SF)
    Hedo/Wright/Peterson/Pops (SF/PF)
    Bosh/Evans/Pops
    Bargnani/Rasho/O'Byrant

    Solid team, has great overall depth and great idea to the original poster dont get down. Some people dont grasp the economic climate in the NBA and how useless Banks is especially with 4 PGs on our roster thats the last thing however we could use SG/SF depth annd Peterson provides that. Also brings back a fan favorite so dont get down, great idea has a shot at happening some people are idiots who declined this.

    ReplyDelete